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Many have attempted to date the Mahabharata war and Ramayana taking inputs from the Dating ramayana and mahabharata Epics. In an exchange with him on Twitter for open debate I sent to him the following transcripts in a series of tweets on January 8 th and 9 th of Traditional date of K. Tamil Siddha hymns also give a formula to deduce the day, star etc of any day, anytime of this time frame of K. Yuga which is perfectly working. To deny this date is Videshi Indology. Our attempt should be to locate this date Dating ramayana and mahabharata with hints given by Vyasa in MB.
Therefore one must not take the reference to planets at face value. Based on all these I derived 3 water-tight features — Mars in Sravana, Saturn in Purva phalguni and an eclipsed Amavasya in Jyeshta with no eclipses in the preceding and successive pakshas and asked Dr N.
Achar in Aug to check for the date in his astronomy software. Why another year also appeared for the given inputs? Because we took only 3 factors that we are so sure about and they had existed at another date also. But the date closer to traditional date is taken, as the traditional date forms the basis of this research. Movement of Arundhati and deer image on moon are reported seen at the same moment.
This is possible due to some atmospheric refraction. Today both are all right. Around the same time of these sightings, a comet had hit Austria. A Cuneiform tablet prepared in BC explains a meteor-fall years ago in Austria. The date is deciphered as 29 th June, BC! This is 15 yrs after MB war.
A dating error could have caused this deviation. But description including the deviation of Arundhati and deer image of the moon is possible due change in the refractive index of the atmosphere caused to particles thrown in the air by meteor-hit. Next catastrophe happened 36 years after Mahabharata war when Krishna left the Dating ramayana and mahabharata. Massive waves that hit Dwaraka could have been caused by an asteroid hit off the coast of Madagascar yrs ago. If the earth reverses its direction of rotation, the stars in the circumpolar constellation Ursa Major will reverse the direction in which Arundhati will move in front of Vasistha.
This reversal is impossible. What Oak says is with reference to change in equinoctial position or change in poles over years. The change in equinox — showing a shift in poles can be in understood by this figure. Shown in the figure.
For a terrestrial observer on the earth, this to-and fro movement will be 2-dimentional. After all within x 4 yrs shift, the background cosmos does not shift much for observer. The same is what our ancients had noticed which I showed in another article in another thread. With axis falling in Aries- Libra, the motion goes upto 27 degrees to and fro.
Within this the poles shift. For the naked eye observer, Ursa Major does not undergo any change.
Take a look at the figure. To and fro oscillation for poles and Ursa Major does not cause change in position of Arundhati for an observer. She will be seen following Vashishta due to the same directional rotation of the earth. Even across time of s of years, Vashishtha- Arundhati orientation to each does not change due to the gravitational coupling between them. See this video. So what Vyasa noticed was an optical illusion caused by change in the refractive index of the atmosphere, which in turn was caused by a catastrophic meteor hit which is what his observations are about.
MB is about how the wives of 6 out 7 sapta rishis were disowned by their respective husbands and allotted motherhood of Skanda. The import is Arundhati alone stayed put without changing position. That is why she is made an icon of chastity.
Such an Arundhati could have never changed position in the past or future. That is why she is exceptional. To say she changed position in the near past was poor understanding of why and how our ancients created certain icons like Arundhati. The dates of 3 sangams deduced after research:.
Only after that the Ikshvaku dynasty was formed in which Rama was born much later. This capital is mentioned in V. Sugreeva asked vanaras to search there. Date is anywhere between BC — BC. Read my article. Definitely not before BCE. It marked the end of Ice age when Himalayas was heavily snow clad. Warmth flowed from south to north starting from 11, yrs to yrs. Only gradually Himalayans glaciers started breaking. So Ganga was not yet born in the time period he has given.
Look at interior Deccan — no Dandakaranya forest. Description of rainy season of V. Ramayana is invalid in this period. Only habitable place was west coast, extended beyond present limits and in SE Tamilnadu. Now coming to sea level, a bridge Setu could be built only if there is water between India and Srilanka. In the beginning of Holocene Lanka was landlocked like a peninsula — Dating ramayana and mahabharata to Kathiawar Peninsula.
Check out these maps of Hancock based on sea-level maps of Glen Milne. By BP sea level almost reached the current level. Only in this period Setu could have been built. Plus Indian monsoons not yet started and absence of forest formation in Deccan makes his date unrealistic. Brilliant take down. The issue on relying on single interpretation of archeoastronomy must be corroborated with facts from other sources. I would request, Jayashreeji to please consider mapping the odd references which Oak claims for his theory to the traditional dates and see if the archeoastronomy dates also fall in line.
This will take a lot of resources, but unless such an angle is given scholarly application, even the conventional dates suggested by you will be on weaker ground. He is talking about shifting of Arundhati which is a gravitationally locked binary.
Just these two are enough to demolish all his references. I will take them up. I also noticed that he has nothing to offer on Yugas and horse argument in AIT. My next article is on Yuga issue in the date of Mahabharata and Ramayana.
His article will show you how casually these people are using astronomy software to locate the dates. He also proposes earlier migrations from Arjika to the east. My question is Dating ramayana and mahabharata the timing of these aryan migrations relative to the time line of Ram and his life and the time line of Indus Valley civilisation.
We can talk about timeline of Aryan migration only if there was a migration of Aryans. Aryan as a race or a people is a misnomer. There was not even a culture prevailing in Europe at the time of Rama of Ayodhya — whose time I am linking to the period of indigenous rice cultivation in Sarayu region in the above article.
There was an indigenous culture in India even before Indus civilization developed. Thanks for taking the time to get back. I have a lot more reading to do to have an opinion on any of this. Indegenous people before Indus Cvilization is reasonable to believe as Indus people would have take hundreds of years to develop what they did. I can well handle serious academic books as well. Appreciate your time. This does upset the Rig Vedic chronology of Talageri ji. Let me wait for the review of scholars once my book comes out — most probably in Oct-Nov this year.
This kind of guesswork is hardly scientific and quite sloppy. The latter is unverifiable and is similar to all the linguistic mumbo-jumbo — your counter-theories would have to be validated before you start assuming some person in history made a dating error. This is not rigourous. Hopefully, the rest of your arguments in the book do not follow these lines. Should be interesting either way.
Good luck. Precision response to the Dating ramayana and mahabharata of Mahabharata done by Nilesh Oak is now available in public domain for anyone to read and review, though the book was already reviewed by 4 top Dating ramayana and mahabharata scholars of whom three had given me their endorsement before I released it as ebook.
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